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1.1. File - List Rules
From: Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
2.1. Re: Hi
From: Tammy
3a. Re: Back to WW First WI
From: agilitydogs2000
3b. Re: Back to WW First WI
From: Kathryn Amadon
3c. Re: Back to WW First WI
From: toddlermomof2@aol.com
3d. gaining
From: Kathryn Amadon
3e. Re: gaining
From: Michele Shaw
4.1. Newbie
From: Ashley Montague
4.2. Re: Newbie
From: toddlermomof2@aol.com
5.1. Hi Tracy
From: Kathryn Amadon
6.1. Re: New Here
From: Kathryn Amadon
7a. This week in blown
From: Judy Jones
7b. Re: This week in blown
From: Jennifer
7c. Re: This week in blown
From: toddlermomof2@aol.com
8. Starvation Myths
From: Carol Kumer
9a. Veggie HG Question
From: Faye Ridpath
9b. Re: Veggie HG Question
From: toddlermomof2@aol.com
9c. Olive oil
From: Scrapcathy
10a. Our Daily Exercise Thread: Share What You Did! , 5/31/2009, 12:15 p
From: Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
10b. Re: Our Daily Exercise Thread: Share What You Did! , 5/31/2009, 12:
From: toddlermomof2@aol.com
10c. Re: Our Daily Exercise Thread: Share What You Did! , 5/31/2009, 12:
From: Robin
11a. Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
From: Tory Klementsen
11b. Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
From: willow
11c. Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
From: Kerri Coy
12a. Re: Singing my Husband's Praises
From: Tory Klementsen
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1.1. File - List Rules
Posted by: "Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com" Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 5:54 am ((PDT))
List Rules
1) NO discussion about sugar substitutes. This is one of the hottest topics and people are extremely opinionated. If you're concerned about sugar substitutes, hit Google. Don't discuss it here. You may share recipes with sugar substitutes and you may ask which bakes the best, etc., but NO discussion about health aspects. Do your own research and come to your own conclusions.
2) NO discussion of how Weight Watchers works. Can't come here and have us teach you the program. Most of the members here are paying members and Weight Watchers has a copyright on their information. They have a great program and deserve their financial compensation. So we won't tell you how the program works. Join up and get the materials for yourself!
3) NO solicitation for money. Period. Ever.
4) Be nice. Play nice. Share, share, share!
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2.1. Re: Hi
Posted by: "Tammy" tammy362@verizon.net tami_v1
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 6:14 am ((PDT))
That is a good idea. I will try these.
Tammy
> How about no cookies in the house at all? The kids don't "need" cookies.
I
> don't care how thin a child is, Oreos are just so so biscuits filled
with
> lard (literally...the filling is lard). I'd suggest, if you do want to
have
> some treats for the kids in the house that are better:
> 1. Hundred calorie packs, but the ones that are more trail mix-y than
> cookies
> 2. Low calorie, high fiber granola bars
> 3. Low sugar, natural fruit leather
> 4. Fresh fruit...maybe the rule is "First two snacks of the day are
fresh
> fruit or vegetables, and only once may you have a sweet/carby snack"
>
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3a. Re: Back to WW First WI
Posted by: "agilitydogs2000" agilitydogs2000@yahoo.com agilitydogs2000
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:19 am ((PDT))
--- In Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com, toddlermomof2@... wrote:
> Your 20 pts is the MINIMUM you MUST eat a day, if you eat less than
> that(assuming that's your daily points allowance) you're liable
> to GAIN
> weight.
I'm sorry to start the day off with such a bummer, but I've recently been hit with this comment several times and I'm trying to track this down. I think, but I'm not sure, that it must come from message boards - but I'm curious where you first heard this.
Weight Watchers itself does not support the comment that if you eat less than your points you will gain weight.
Go to the WW website and put "the starvation myth" into the search box.
But Betsy, there's good news and bad news. The good news is that yes, you can reach your goal. The bad news is that your efforts have to ramp up - more than you anticipated. If you currently weigh 162 and are a normal American female, you probably have only minimal daily activity and only need about 1500 calories per day to sustain that weight. And to weight 142, you only need 1400 calories per day - so your weight is caused by a measley 100 calories per day - an extra bite or healthy dollop of something in your supersize Starbucks.
Or, in my case, it was simply repalcing a bicycle with a car as a means of transportation, replace walknig to claases in college with walking into a building. And the further bad news is that it's harder for you to find a place to come up with that energy deficit.
As The Starvation Myth says "For example, if an individual needs 2,000 calories per day to maintain weight, reducing intake to 1,500 calories, assuming exercise stays the same, should provide a 1 pound per week weight loss (Note: 1 pound of weight is equivalent to about 3,500 calories). Furthermore, reducing to 1,000 calories should result in a weight loss of 2 pounds per week"
The most common way to come up with weight loss, which is what WW advocates, is to reduce calorie intake slightly below what is required at that weight and encourage exercise. You would need to run on an energy deficit of 7000 calories per week to loose 2 pounds a week. It's usually 1 pound from cutting calories and a suggested 3500 calories burned from exercise. And sorry to say your "exercising" probably didn't burn 500 calories a day to make your 3500 calories per week.
So whatever you did to exercise, you can ramp it up. I have to walk almost two hours to get my 500 calories burned - or run part of the way - or vigorously exercise to workout tapes that positively make me ache the next day - or do some serious gym work on weight machines to increase muscle mass - or ...
And you're right at the edge where you're going to have serious problems meeting nutritional needs - cutting 500 calories per day lands you at only 1000 calories per day, so that's really marginal as far as good nutrition. More sensible would be 1200 calories a day at least.
But you're also going to face the dread spectre of lowering metabolic rate. As you loose weight, the energy requirements to fuel your body lower - a bummer, but it happens. So if you loose ten pounds, your body does better because it doesn't have to haul the extra weight around. Or as the Starvation Myth puts it "Some studies have found no significant reduction in metabolism until the caloric restriction is quite large (e.g. 800 calories or less per day).2 Others suggest a linear relationship with small reductions in metabolism accompanying small reductions in caloric restriction, with the gap increasing as the caloric deficit is enlarged."
In other words, for your goal of restricting to 500 calories per day, you probably won't run into you body thinking it's starving, so you only have the slight decrease due to weight loss. But you're hit smack in the face with the reason WW does say you should try to eat your points - you are more likely to have a period of overeating with higher point restriction.
So go back to the drawing board - do you have the time necessary to ramp up activity? If you're going to combine points and exercise, what is the minimum you will eat per day? Remember that weight loss and eating your points may not exactly correlate - so over five weeks, you may see serious efforts with minimal results and less effort with better results.
Most of all, recall that only 100 calories a day got you where you are - you don't have to make serious changes to get you to goal - just one extra trip to a buffet or one extra dessert a week. It's jsut a metter of time and the changes your willing to make - exercise for two hours a day and restict points - cut out a few luxuries and take longer but shed the pounds.
barbara
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3b. Re: Back to WW First WI
Posted by: "Kathryn Amadon" kathrynsquilting@comcast.net getmovin58
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:45 am ((PDT))
I'd recommend you eat your allotted points. Otherwise your body starts storing thinking you are going into 'starvation' mode and your metabolism slows way down. Small meals often helps keep the met up.
Good luck!!! and 1.2 is great.
Kma
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3c. Re: Back to WW First WI
Posted by: "toddlermomof2@aol.com" toddlermomof2@aol.com mepperly07
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:56 am ((PDT))
Barbara,
Not sure where online it is, but I've been on WW for almost 2 years and
my leader preached that from DAY 1! I'm sure it's in the materials
somewhere, and others who've been on WW as long as me or longer will
most likely agree. Thank you.
Melissa
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3d. gaining
Posted by: "Kathryn Amadon" kathrynsquilting@comcast.net getmovin58
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 12:26 pm ((PDT))
geeze, it doesn't take much to gain the weight. In the last 2 1/2 weeks I'm up by 5 lbs, which amazes me. I'll take 4-5 weeks of hard work to take that off. Bummin - but did exercise today - a Sunday...
Kma
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3e. Re: gaining
Posted by: "Michele Shaw" shawsinca@comcast.net shawsinca
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 12:30 pm ((PDT))
I know what you mean!
I was up exactly 5 pounds in 2 weeks. I've worked by you know what off
to take it back off and I've taken off 4 pounds in 2 weeks.
It sure goes on easier than it comes off!
Michele
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> geeze, it doesn't take much to gain the weight. In the last 2 1/2
> weeks I'm up by 5 lbs, which amazes me. I'll take 4-5 weeks of hard
> work to take that off. Bummin - but did exercise today - a Sunday...
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> Kma
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4.1. Newbie
Posted by: "Ashley Montague" monty22183@aol.com monty22183
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:45 am ((PDT))
Hello Everyone,
My name is Ashley and I just joined Weight Watchers on Thursday. Looking forward to getting to know everyone :)
-Ashley Montague
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4.2. Re: Newbie
Posted by: "toddlermomof2@aol.com" toddlermomof2@aol.com mepperly07
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:53 am ((PDT))
Welcome to the group and to WW Ashley!
Melissa E
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5.1. Hi Tracy
Posted by: "Kathryn Amadon" kathrynsquilting@comcast.net getmovin58
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:45 am ((PDT))
Welcome to the group. It's hard but try not to get frustrated - think about maybe changing what you've been eating. Sometimes a change to your food plan makes a difference. And having different flavors/foods can rejuvinate you too. That's what I'm working on now. I've been stuck the last few months and well above the 'ol maintain weight now and am looking for changes to make a difference for me. You will get below that 200 mark - and I'm sure it will be soon. Just make a change to help get you there. Maybe a difference exercise experience too. Go For It and keep us all posted.
Rooting for you!!!
Kathryn A
Hello all my name is Tracy I am new to the group but not new to WW. I
lost 60 pounds on WW back in 2003 and then had a baby in 2005 and to top
it off I have a thyroid condition which makes it hard. So this time
things are not going as smooth as last time I cannot for the life of me
get under 200 pounds I get to 202 then up back on 2 pounds or just stay ...
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6.1. Re: New Here
Posted by: "Kathryn Amadon" kathrynsquilting@comcast.net getmovin58
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:45 am ((PDT))
Welcome Melissa. Congrats on the 33 lb loss. You must feel great (and deserve too!!!)
Kma
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7a. This week in blown
Posted by: "Judy Jones" coloradoprairie@gmail.com coloradosunflowers
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:46 am ((PDT))
*I ate a double bacon cheeseburger yesterday. I'm way over my points for
this week now. Well. I weigh in tomorrow, so we'll see if any damage has
been done. I have to back to my daughter's new home (a two-hour drive)
today, so I talk to you guys probably tomorrow after the offical weigh in.*
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Judy Jones
Colorado
318/311.6/305/125 Started May 22, 2009
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7b. Re: This week in blown
Posted by: "Jennifer" jenypooh@verizon.net mom2nickandjon2
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:49 am ((PDT))
judy, been there. Today is a new day. You are human, it happens. No looking back, only forward.
in this economy, need ways to help you get thru,,
join this group (it says mom, but pay no attention to that)
frugal_limoms@yahoogroups.com
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From: Judy Jones
To: Serious Weight Watchers
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 9:19 AM
Subject: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] This week in blown
*I ate a double bacon cheeseburger yesterday. I'm way over my points for
this week now. Well. I weigh in tomorrow, so we'll see if any damage has
been done. I have to back to my daughter's new home (a two-hour drive)
today, so I talk to you guys probably tomorrow after the offical weigh in.*
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Colorado
318/311.6/305/125 Started May 22, 2009
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7c. Re: This week in blown
Posted by: "toddlermomof2@aol.com" toddlermomof2@aol.com mepperly07
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 7:51 am ((PDT))
You never know, you might be surprised tomorrow! Good luck either way,
at least you know what you did wrong.
Melissa E
222.4/167.9/115
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8. Starvation Myths
Posted by: "Carol Kumer" carolkumer@sbcglobal.net carol_19422000
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 8:40 am ((PDT))
Wow! I was fast on the delete button this morning but I loved seeing that post starvation myths. It lead me back to the web site to look it up. Thanks to the Postee (is that a word)I got intouch with a part of the site I never thought to use. There are many Myth busters listed for future use. Thanks for the info
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9a. Veggie HG Question
Posted by: "Faye Ridpath" ispgypsy@gmail.com fayefromtampa
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 11:59 am ((PDT))
This is probably a silly question, but if you eat a salad with nothing but
lettuce and dressing, does it count towards your veggie HG's?
One more silly question... On the WW boards on their website a lot of people
have a hard time with the oil and someone posted that if you eat TV dinners
(I do) you can put it on the TV dinner. Would you put it on before or after
you cook it, or does it matter? I usually like to get mine in by sprinkling
rosemary, thyme, or oregano in olive oil and dipping Nature's Own Lite bread
or WW bread in it (1 point for two slices!) but I need a lot of oil to do it
and it comes out 4 points when I do that so I was thinking of trying the TV
dinner suggestion. Or I guess I could add some to a salad? I forgot what all
oils count too. I know olive oil but that's all I know. lol
~~~Faye~~~
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9b. Re: Veggie HG Question
Posted by: "toddlermomof2@aol.com" toddlermomof2@aol.com mepperly07
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 12:18 pm ((PDT))
as long as you eat 1 c of lettuce, you can count it towards 1 serving
of veggies. as for the oil, I put it over tv dinners after they cook
or over my oatmeal when it's cool. I also spoon it over spaghetti or
rice or veggies. use 1 tsp at a time or the points are higher!
Melissa
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9c. Olive oil
Posted by: "Scrapcathy" scrapcathy@bellsouth.net sunshinemom33305
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 1:10 pm ((PDT))
Wow Melissa, I never realized that before. I just checked on e-tools and you are right. 1 tsp. olive oil is 1 point but 2 tsp (which is how I was using it) is 2.5 points. Interesting
Cathy
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From: toddlermomof2@aol.com
To: Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] Veggie HG Question
as long as you eat 1 c of lettuce, you can count it towards 1 serving
of veggies. as for the oil, I put it over tv dinners after they cook
or over my oatmeal when it's cool. I also spoon it over spaghetti or
rice or veggies. use 1 tsp at a time or the points are higher!
Melissa
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10a. Our Daily Exercise Thread: Share What You Did! , 5/31/2009, 12:15 p
Posted by: "Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com" Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 12:01 pm ((PDT))
Reminder from: Serious-Weight-Watchers Yahoo! Group
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Our Daily Exercise Thread: Share What You Did!
Sunday May 31, 2009
12:15 pm - 12:30 pm
(This event repeats every day.)
Notes:
Did you know that daily exercise:
Can help to reverse pre-diabetes?
Can reduce your cholesterol and triglycerides?
Can increase your HDL, the good cholesterol, and lower your LDL, the bad cholesterol?
Can strengthen your heart and lungs?
May prevent osteoporosis?
Can reduce your risk of stroke?
Can help you sleep better?
Can help with depression?
Can lengthen your life?
Can help promote and maintain weight loss?
What exercise did you do today?
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10b. Re: Our Daily Exercise Thread: Share What You Did! , 5/31/2009, 12:
Posted by: "toddlermomof2@aol.com" toddlermomof2@aol.com mepperly07
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 12:16 pm ((PDT))
65 mins on the treadmill, 20 mins of weights
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10c. Re: Our Daily Exercise Thread: Share What You Did! , 5/31/2009, 12:
Posted by: "Robin" michelina500@yahoo.com sweetybird68
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 5:24 pm ((PDT))
I ran the Minneapolis Half Marathon today. I finished almost 11 minutes slower than my first half, as I was super tired from lack of sleep, didn't have but 2 packets of sports beans and water for breakfast this morning, and unlike the previous half I ran, this one had some hills. But it's all good, because at least I was able to complete it! :)
Robin K.
http://isearch.igive.com/?s=28&c=51302
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> Reminder from: Serious-Weight-Watchers Yahoo! Group
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> Our Daily Exercise Thread: Share What You Did!
> Sunday May 31, 2009
> 12:15 pm - 12:30 pm
> (This event repeats every day.)
>
> Notes:
> Did you know that daily exercise:
>
> Can help to reverse pre-diabetes?
> Can reduce your cholesterol and triglycerides?
> Can increase your HDL, the good cholesterol, and lower your LDL, the bad cholesterol?
> Can strengthen your heart and lungs?
> May prevent osteoporosis?
> Can reduce your risk of stroke?
> Can help you sleep better?
> Can help with depression?
> Can lengthen your life?
> Can help promote and maintain weight loss?
>
> What exercise did you do today?
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11a. Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
Posted by: "Tory Klementsen" teechur@gmail.com msteechur
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 1:00 pm ((PDT))
I don't think it's morbid at all, Deb. I think it's realistic. The reason it
is called "morbid obesity" is because it is a health condition that is tied
to an earlier death, and a poor quality of life.
One time a lady I work with (who does seem to OFTEN engage mouth before
engaging brain) said to me, "Well I heard that working out only gets you
like 10 extra years! I'd rather sit on my butt and forget about it. I mean
who wants ten extra years at the end of their life? I'm sure!"
Yes, it was a direct slam at me.
But the deal is, that I think we often don't think about...the quality of
our lives is HIGHLY dependent on how we live our lives leading up to our
golden years.
So let's say that was true...that all this working out we're doing is "only"
buying us ten years of additional life on this earth. (Which I would say
isn't really "only" but for the sake of argument.)
What about the years leading UP to those ten years? When I was 38 I lost
this weight, and I was ALREADY having chronic heartburn, back pain, foot
pain, shortness of breath. So add ten years to that...48, and if my life had
continued in its pattern another 30 pounds. I'd have been about 265, and how
in the world would I have been feeling? What about 20 more years? At 58 I
would feel like what? Would I WANT ten more years when I hit 68?
But instead I started exercising at 38. Immediately I saw a difference in
the heartburn through the healthier diet. My back pain is still here, but
right now that is the ONLY chronic thing I deal with (at 44). My feet didn't
hurt at the end of the day any more after about 6 months. I could RUN up
stairs...much less walk, within a year.
Six years later I can run ultra marathons (31.1 miles...and I'm planning on
a 50 miler), finish half ironman competitions (1.2 mile swim, 56 mile bike,
13.1 mile run), kayak all afternoon in the slough, bend over and touch my
toes, say "Sure" to anything someone throws at me. I wake up with a stiff
back in the morning, but it works itself out. I no longer have heartburn, my
allergies have gotten better, I am RARELY sick beyond pancreatitis
(unrelated to my weight, but to a surgery I had in 2003), I can LITERALLY
run circles around my high school students. I currently teach all day, then
go home at night and hold running classes, work out with clients, and get
home and spend time with my honey.
Do I want to add ten years to THAT life? You betcha!
It's not only about length of life, but it's also about QUALITY of life.
Getting to a reasonable weight, and getting physically fit is the BEST thing
you can do for yourself and for those who love you.
Tory Klementsen, MCP A+
IT Educator
Certified Personal Fitness Trainer
www.journey-fitness.com
www.jfrunners.com
www.teechur.com--school website
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> Tory, lol, I am the same way and I have had no where near the success that
> you have. But I am trying... and appreciating the fact that I am still here
>
> and want to be here to see my grandkids graduate, get married, be a great
> grandma. That's what it's all about really. Do I continue to kill myself or
>
> do I want to live.
>
> Sorry to be so morbid this morning. But I encountered several severely,
> okay... morbidly obese women yesterday in my neighborhood organizing our
> annual garage sales. I wanted to shake them! They looked so miserable! They
>
> looked like I did before I decided to finally quit sitting here quietly
> commiting suicide. I get so passionate about it at times that I know I come
>
> across wrong. And I apologize to those that think that I do. Trying to get
> our compassion and caring out to others is so difficult at times when we
> see
> that they are really almost crying for help and making excuses when they
> know that is what it is really.......
>
> Thank you for caring and trying to make us all see what a really great
> thing
> it is to embrace this life we have.
>
> Hugs, Deb
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tory Klementsen" <teechur@gmail.com <teechur%40gmail.com>>
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:42 PM
>
> To: <Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com<Serious-Weight-Watchers%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
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>
> > WHEW! There are times I don my "steel toed boots" and then I worry "Oh
> > man,
> > I've offended her. I've come across mean. I hope she's not mad."
> > But honestly, these are things I found I had to hear myself! I mean most
> > people know I joined WWers and started exercising and lost 100 lbs. What
> > most don't think about, and even I forget sometimes, is that I started
> and
> > stopped MANY times before I finally decided to stop making excuses, stop
> > depending on feelings, and just go forward saying "I am WORTH this!"
> >
> > So I'm glad you took it as something you maybe didn't WANT to hear, but
> > needed to hear. It is lovely to hear "It's okay. We all make mistakes.",
> > but
> > I do think that sometimes we learn more when we are a little more "real"
> > about what we're doing and stop excusing bad decisions. While no one
> > should
> > feel bad about a poor decision, we should always strive to first learn
> > from
> > it, and next NOT repeat it...rather than say "Oh it's okay, move on" only
>
> > to
> > repeat the same behavior two weeks later.
> >
> > So move forward with DRIVE and DETERMINATION. Enjoy it when you feel
> > motivated, but don't wait for motivation to act. I think Dr. Oz says
> > motivation does not spurn action. Action spurns motivation.
> >
> > Tory Klementsen, MCP A+
> > IT Educator
> > Certified Personal Fitness Trainer
> > www.journey-fitness.com
> > www.jfrunners.com
> > www.teechur.com--school website
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Sherry <taxwoman2003@yahoo.com<taxwoman2003%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> It sounds like you don't want it badly enough to make behavioral changes
> >> needed to lose and get in shape.
> >>
> >> Thank you, Tory
> >>
> >> This was just what I needed to hear. Drive is something I have and
> really
> >> pride myself on my ability to "stick to something". I lose my motivation
> >> frequently, but I now have a different way to think about this journey.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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11b. Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
Posted by: "willow" whisperingwillow@midco.net listmom_lyn
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 2:27 pm ((PDT))
I have to agree with Tory 100% on the quality of life issue.
My mom died one month after turning 59. At 43 she had breast cancer, and at 45 she had her first heart attack. She had all kinds of complications in between: gall bladder disease and removal and that was back when they cut you completely open. Diabetes, daily insulin shots, sinus issues, severe headaches, breathing difficulties. She had severe dental issues, too. The last few years of her life she couldn't sleep lying down, she had to sleep in a recliner. She had several hospitalizations due to her heart, having two more heart attacks--the last one fatal, angioplasties, by-pass. I could go on and on with her issues.
Yeah, quality of life is a big one. The last 16 years of her life -- awful, pure misery. Pain, embarrassment, doctor visits, not being able to do things she wanted to do. She had a very low quality of life.
Exercise is crucial.
Listmom Lyn
----- Original Message -----
From: Tory Klementsen
To: Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
I don't think it's morbid at all, Deb. I think it's realistic. The reason it
is called "morbid obesity" is because it is a health condition that is tied
to an earlier death, and a poor quality of life.
One time a lady I work with (who does seem to OFTEN engage mouth before
engaging brain) said to me, "Well I heard that working out only gets you
like 10 extra years! I'd rather sit on my butt and forget about it. I mean
who wants ten extra years at the end of their life? I'm sure!"
Yes, it was a direct slam at me.
But the deal is, that I think we often don't think about...the quality of
our lives is HIGHLY dependent on how we live our lives leading up to our
golden years.
So let's say that was true...that all this working out we're doing is "only"
buying us ten years of additional life on this earth. (Which I would say
isn't really "only" but for the sake of argument.)
What about the years leading UP to those ten years? When I was 38 I lost
this weight, and I was ALREADY having chronic heartburn, back pain, foot
pain, shortness of breath. So add ten years to that...48, and if my life had
continued in its pattern another 30 pounds. I'd have been about 265, and how
in the world would I have been feeling? What about 20 more years? At 58 I
would feel like what? Would I WANT ten more years when I hit 68?
But instead I started exercising at 38. Immediately I saw a difference in
the heartburn through the healthier diet. My back pain is still here, but
right now that is the ONLY chronic thing I deal with (at 44). My feet didn't
hurt at the end of the day any more after about 6 months. I could RUN up
stairs...much less walk, within a year.
Six years later I can run ultra marathons (31.1 miles...and I'm planning on
a 50 miler), finish half ironman competitions (1.2 mile swim, 56 mile bike,
13.1 mile run), kayak all afternoon in the slough, bend over and touch my
toes, say "Sure" to anything someone throws at me. I wake up with a stiff
back in the morning, but it works itself out. I no longer have heartburn, my
allergies have gotten better, I am RARELY sick beyond pancreatitis
(unrelated to my weight, but to a surgery I had in 2003), I can LITERALLY
run circles around my high school students. I currently teach all day, then
go home at night and hold running classes, work out with clients, and get
home and spend time with my honey.
Do I want to add ten years to THAT life? You betcha!
It's not only about length of life, but it's also about QUALITY of life.
Getting to a reasonable weight, and getting physically fit is the BEST thing
you can do for yourself and for those who love you.
Tory Klementsen, MCP A+
IT Educator
Certified Personal Fitness Trainer
www.journey-fitness.com
www.jfrunners.com
www.teechur.com--school website
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Pippylngstkng <imonlyhumn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tory, lol, I am the same way and I have had no where near the success that
> you have. But I am trying... and appreciating the fact that I am still here
>
> and want to be here to see my grandkids graduate, get married, be a great
> grandma. That's what it's all about really. Do I continue to kill myself or
>
> do I want to live.
>
> Sorry to be so morbid this morning. But I encountered several severely,
> okay... morbidly obese women yesterday in my neighborhood organizing our
> annual garage sales. I wanted to shake them! They looked so miserable! They
>
> looked like I did before I decided to finally quit sitting here quietly
> commiting suicide. I get so passionate about it at times that I know I come
>
> across wrong. And I apologize to those that think that I do. Trying to get
> our compassion and caring out to others is so difficult at times when we
> see
> that they are really almost crying for help and making excuses when they
> know that is what it is really.......
>
> Thank you for caring and trying to make us all see what a really great
> thing
> it is to embrace this life we have.
>
> Hugs, Deb
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tory Klementsen" <teechur@gmail.com <teechur%40gmail.com>>
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:42 PM
>
> To: <Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com<Serious-Weight-Watchers%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
>
>
> > WHEW! There are times I don my "steel toed boots" and then I worry "Oh
> > man,
> > I've offended her. I've come across mean. I hope she's not mad."
> > But honestly, these are things I found I had to hear myself! I mean most
> > people know I joined WWers and started exercising and lost 100 lbs. What
> > most don't think about, and even I forget sometimes, is that I started
> and
> > stopped MANY times before I finally decided to stop making excuses, stop
> > depending on feelings, and just go forward saying "I am WORTH this!"
> >
> > So I'm glad you took it as something you maybe didn't WANT to hear, but
> > needed to hear. It is lovely to hear "It's okay. We all make mistakes.",
> > but
> > I do think that sometimes we learn more when we are a little more "real"
> > about what we're doing and stop excusing bad decisions. While no one
> > should
> > feel bad about a poor decision, we should always strive to first learn
> > from
> > it, and next NOT repeat it...rather than say "Oh it's okay, move on" only
>
> > to
> > repeat the same behavior two weeks later.
> >
> > So move forward with DRIVE and DETERMINATION. Enjoy it when you feel
> > motivated, but don't wait for motivation to act. I think Dr. Oz says
> > motivation does not spurn action. Action spurns motivation.
> >
> > Tory Klementsen, MCP A+
> > IT Educator
> > Certified Personal Fitness Trainer
> > www.journey-fitness.com
> > www.jfrunners.com
> > www.teechur.com--school website
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Sherry <taxwoman2003@yahoo.com<taxwoman2003%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> It sounds like you don't want it badly enough to make behavioral changes
> >> needed to lose and get in shape.
> >>
> >> Thank you, Tory
> >>
> >> This was just what I needed to hear. Drive is something I have and
> really
> >> pride myself on my ability to "stick to something". I lose my motivation
> >> frequently, but I now have a different way to think about this journey.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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11c. Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
Posted by: "Kerri Coy" ccoy1@satx.rr.com chrisnkerri4
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 2:27 pm ((PDT))
well said Tory! My question is this: Do any of you get told you are too skinny? My MIL tells me that all the time (I am 5'7,133 pounds after keeping 105 off for over 4 years). Why do people think it is okay to say that but not tell someone they are too fat?
----- Original Message -----
From: Tory Klementsen
To: Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
I don't think it's morbid at all, Deb. I think it's realistic. The reason it
is called "morbid obesity" is because it is a health condition that is tied
to an earlier death, and a poor quality of life.
One time a lady I work with (who does seem to OFTEN engage mouth before
engaging brain) said to me, "Well I heard that working out only gets you
like 10 extra years! I'd rather sit on my butt and forget about it. I mean
who wants ten extra years at the end of their life? I'm sure!"
Yes, it was a direct slam at me.
But the deal is, that I think we often don't think about...the quality of
our lives is HIGHLY dependent on how we live our lives leading up to our
golden years.
So let's say that was true...that all this working out we're doing is "only"
buying us ten years of additional life on this earth. (Which I would say
isn't really "only" but for the sake of argument.)
What about the years leading UP to those ten years? When I was 38 I lost
this weight, and I was ALREADY having chronic heartburn, back pain, foot
pain, shortness of breath. So add ten years to that...48, and if my life had
continued in its pattern another 30 pounds. I'd have been about 265, and how
in the world would I have been feeling? What about 20 more years? At 58 I
would feel like what? Would I WANT ten more years when I hit 68?
But instead I started exercising at 38. Immediately I saw a difference in
the heartburn through the healthier diet. My back pain is still here, but
right now that is the ONLY chronic thing I deal with (at 44). My feet didn't
hurt at the end of the day any more after about 6 months. I could RUN up
stairs...much less walk, within a year.
Six years later I can run ultra marathons (31.1 miles...and I'm planning on
a 50 miler), finish half ironman competitions (1.2 mile swim, 56 mile bike,
13.1 mile run), kayak all afternoon in the slough, bend over and touch my
toes, say "Sure" to anything someone throws at me. I wake up with a stiff
back in the morning, but it works itself out. I no longer have heartburn, my
allergies have gotten better, I am RARELY sick beyond pancreatitis
(unrelated to my weight, but to a surgery I had in 2003), I can LITERALLY
run circles around my high school students. I currently teach all day, then
go home at night and hold running classes, work out with clients, and get
home and spend time with my honey.
Do I want to add ten years to THAT life? You betcha!
It's not only about length of life, but it's also about QUALITY of life.
Getting to a reasonable weight, and getting physically fit is the BEST thing
you can do for yourself and for those who love you.
Tory Klementsen, MCP A+
IT Educator
Certified Personal Fitness Trainer
www.journey-fitness.com
www.jfrunners.com
www.teechur.com--school website
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Pippylngstkng <imonlyhumn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tory, lol, I am the same way and I have had no where near the success that
> you have. But I am trying... and appreciating the fact that I am still here
>
> and want to be here to see my grandkids graduate, get married, be a great
> grandma. That's what it's all about really. Do I continue to kill myself or
>
> do I want to live.
>
> Sorry to be so morbid this morning. But I encountered several severely,
> okay... morbidly obese women yesterday in my neighborhood organizing our
> annual garage sales. I wanted to shake them! They looked so miserable! They
>
> looked like I did before I decided to finally quit sitting here quietly
> commiting suicide. I get so passionate about it at times that I know I come
>
> across wrong. And I apologize to those that think that I do. Trying to get
> our compassion and caring out to others is so difficult at times when we
> see
> that they are really almost crying for help and making excuses when they
> know that is what it is really.......
>
> Thank you for caring and trying to make us all see what a really great
> thing
> it is to embrace this life we have.
>
> Hugs, Deb
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Tory Klementsen" <teechur@gmail.com <teechur%40gmail.com>>
> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 11:42 PM
>
> To: <Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com<Serious-Weight-Watchers%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] Re: i need to loss 25 to be in shape
>
>
> > WHEW! There are times I don my "steel toed boots" and then I worry "Oh
> > man,
> > I've offended her. I've come across mean. I hope she's not mad."
> > But honestly, these are things I found I had to hear myself! I mean most
> > people know I joined WWers and started exercising and lost 100 lbs. What
> > most don't think about, and even I forget sometimes, is that I started
> and
> > stopped MANY times before I finally decided to stop making excuses, stop
> > depending on feelings, and just go forward saying "I am WORTH this!"
> >
> > So I'm glad you took it as something you maybe didn't WANT to hear, but
> > needed to hear. It is lovely to hear "It's okay. We all make mistakes.",
> > but
> > I do think that sometimes we learn more when we are a little more "real"
> > about what we're doing and stop excusing bad decisions. While no one
> > should
> > feel bad about a poor decision, we should always strive to first learn
> > from
> > it, and next NOT repeat it...rather than say "Oh it's okay, move on" only
>
> > to
> > repeat the same behavior two weeks later.
> >
> > So move forward with DRIVE and DETERMINATION. Enjoy it when you feel
> > motivated, but don't wait for motivation to act. I think Dr. Oz says
> > motivation does not spurn action. Action spurns motivation.
> >
> > Tory Klementsen, MCP A+
> > IT Educator
> > Certified Personal Fitness Trainer
> > www.journey-fitness.com
> > www.jfrunners.com
> > www.teechur.com--school website
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Sherry <taxwoman2003@yahoo.com<taxwoman2003%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> It sounds like you don't want it badly enough to make behavioral changes
> >> needed to lose and get in shape.
> >>
> >> Thank you, Tory
> >>
> >> This was just what I needed to hear. Drive is something I have and
> really
> >> pride myself on my ability to "stick to something". I lose my motivation
> >> frequently, but I now have a different way to think about this journey.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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12a. Re: Singing my Husband's Praises
Posted by: "Tory Klementsen" teechur@gmail.com msteechur
Date: Sun May 31, 2009 1:02 pm ((PDT))
He does sound wonderful. Faye. I'm sure it's a two way street. My husband is
exceptionally supportive, and I'm often told how "lucky" I am. But I am also
very supportive of him in all he does. I do believe that he is a better
person than I am in many ways, but it is a two way street.
I'm sure it is in your house as well. You are supportive of each other, make
decisions together, and respect each other. That's not only what makes a
great marriage, but it is also a fantastic role model for your children.
Tory Klementsen, MCP A+
IT Educator
Certified Personal Fitness Trainer
www.journey-fitness.com
www.jfrunners.com
www.teechur.com--school website
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Tammy <tammy362@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> That is wonderful that he is so supportive of you.
> I wish my husband wa sthe same way.
>
> Tammy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Faye Ridpath" <ispgypsy@gmail.com <ispgypsy%40gmail.com>>
> To: "Faye Ridpath" <ispgypsy@verizon.net <ispgypsy%40verizon.net>>
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 3:26 PM
> Subject: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] Singing my Husband's Praises
>
> >I just had to post on here how great my guy is! He has been so supportive
> >of
> > me on my weight loss journey.
> >
> > He let me get the WW scale for one thing, which has been a Godsend for
> > figuring out how much over (and in some cases even under) I am when
> > figuring
> > out a portion.
> >
> > But last night he made spaghetti. I only had 6 points left to eat. So I
> > was
> > looking and it said Spaghetti with meat sauce was 9 points, but spaghetti
> > with marina sauce was only 5 points. Everyone loves it better with meat
> > sauce but he made it with the lower point sauce just for me so I wouldn't
>
> > go
> > over points. That was so sweet of him!
> >
> > He also (and I have no clue how) seems to know the point system and how
> it
> > works without having to calculate. For instance, once we had to eat out
> > and
> > it wasn't planned. He's a courier and we decided to ride along for a
> > drive.
> > And I got really hungry and was starting to get shaky (I'm diabetic) cuz
> > the
> > run took longer than planned. So we stopped somewhere. And I had no
> > resources with me to decide what to order so I asked Bob what he thought
> > and
> > he made a suggestion and how many points he thought it might be. When I
> > was
> > able to find the NI for what I had ordered when I got home, he was dead
> > on!
> > And sometimes if I'm trying to decide if I want to have something I see
> in
> > the grocery store, I read off the NI to him and he says "I think then
> that
> > this is ..." and however many points he thinks and I go home and find out
>
> > he
> > is right!
> >
> > If he gets himself and Marcella a treat of some sort, he also than seeks
> > out
> > a lower point version for me so I'm not left out.
> >
> > I just love him so much!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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