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1a. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
From: Victoria
1b. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
From: TheAgora81@aol.com
1c. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
From: TheAgora81@aol.com
1d. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
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1e. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
From: brightangelhope
1f. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
From: Victoria
1g. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
From: Victoria
1h. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
From: Victoria
2. newbie-how to deal with emotional eating
From: obeseboomer
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1a. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "Victoria" afterwls@aol.com vicstevens
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 7:54 am ((PDT))
Get used to the Hungry Tiger in you. It's my absolute conviction that WLS patients should 'graze', meaning we should eat several small meals/snacks per day, which is what I do.
We no longer have a normal sized stomach that can feel full. I never feel full for very long. So I watch what I eat and plan to have multiple nutritious, mostly protein-centered meals/snacks throughout the day.
Sometimes that's more than 5 meals/snacks, but so what? At 10+ years post surgery, that method of eating has supported me extremely well. I am 5' 7" and 142 pounds, I shop for size 5/6 juniors and start with the 'Smalls', and I don't allow myself to feel hungry.
This practice stems from the fact that my surgeon told me never to let myself get either dehydrated or hungry, to always carry water and a protein bar. He was 70+ when he did my RNY, and had decades of weight loss surgery experience at that time, ten years ago. Here's some info about him: http://www.alexianweightsolutions.com/kane/history.html
I think the '3 square meals a day' plan is just wrong, that's just my 2 cents, and my experience with 'grazing' has worked extremely well for me.
-Vic
After WLS group founder
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1b. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "TheAgora81@aol.com" TheAgora81@aol.com theagora81
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 9:07 am ((PDT))
In a message dated 7/3/2009 5:20:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SaraVanM1@charter.net writes:
Thanks for the warning peace, what kind of surgery did you have? I'm 5
weeks out RNY. Sara
RNY with just 60 cm of common channel and I am about to start thinking that
it is too high on the intestinal track when most are 80 to 100cm common
channels. At 5 weeks you should have very little concerns.
P
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1c. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "TheAgora81@aol.com" TheAgora81@aol.com theagora81
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 9:12 am ((PDT))
Thanks Dorothy.
But it is a Hungry Tiger. My middle and lower intestines just jaw at me
with humongous hunger and I just look at it with disgust. Because I should not
be hungry and so why would IT be hungry? I dont understand when it starts up
and I almost want to jump out of my chair and run for the kitchen.
But it has calmed down since last week. I do bring water/drink with me
everywhere. I try and excersize when I am feeling most hungry and that works
sometimes. Lately I have been better so I dont know why it comes over me like
it did? strange days
I like it better when the tiger is in his den. I am better and the world is
better.
Peace, lee
Well said, Lee. But I didn't sense hunger until 5-6 months post-op,
and so far it's been easily remedied by (1) drinking enough water,
and timing the drinking correctly, and (2) staying focused on the
important things like home, work, relaxation, relationships,
responsibility. If I can stay mentally engaged with my real life - or
distracted by computer games or a good book - the food is better and
the tiger stays in his den. If I let something rock me off center,
say, for example, I let domestic silliness shake me, the tiger growls
and I have to slow down and evaluate the situation.
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1d. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "TheAgora81@aol.com" TheAgora81@aol.com theagora81
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 9:20 am ((PDT))
In a message dated 7/4/2009 10:54:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
afterwls@aol.com writes:
Sometimes that's more than 5 meals/snacks, but so what? At 10+ years post
surgery, that method of eating has supported me extremely well. I am 5' 7"
and 142 pounds, I shop for size 5/6 juniors and start with the 'Smalls', and I
don't allow myself to feel hungry.
I will try grazing more often. I know...I was told the same thing about
grazing. My nutritionist just glared at me when she things of the word grazing.
My weight is not moving past 189 now but I have lost 3 pounds after weeks
of constant and excessive excersizing and eating VERY little. Maybe that's
it? Maybe sometimes it just eat so little that it wakes the hungry tiger up
which is telling me that my body just cant take it any longer. (such little
food) But I cant get my body to drop weight. At so new an operation, this
seems absurd to stop at 60 lbs?
I loved your surgeons page and its am inspiration to me now. I will go back
and read it over and over again. he explained what MY life was like just 3
months ago. Hiding, not being able to sit with my legs closed, not being
able to sit in a restraunts bench chair, no amusement park rides, no scuba
diving, no walking, no wearing nice things, illness because of weight, heart
problems, generally unhealthy, couldn't go upstairs without help, pains so many
pains. Even at just 60 lbs lighter I am so much more LIVING LIFE and
wanting to live life and I dont want it to stop. I want to keep on living. Thank
you for reminding me of just how bad life was and how much I dont want to go
back to there, ever.
Peace, Lee
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1e. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "brightangelhope" brightangelhope@yahoo.com brightangelhope
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 8:10 pm ((PDT))
I find it unusual and interesting to find someone who Advocates "grazing"
for WLS patients...or anyone for that matter.
I am about 16 1/2 years out from my RNY, (Dec 1992)
At surgery 271, first 9 months, down to 160, then after several years
back up to 190s.
Starting in Sept 2004, by low-calorie eating dieted my way down to 115,
Have maintained that weight for 3 1/2 years.
My surgeon told me 3 meals a day, half of each meal protein.
He didn't give me any info on when and how to drink water etc.
Those "pouch for dummies" rules were nonexistent at the time.
It is just during the past month that I came across them.
Despite my surgeon's advice, I was never able to force myself to eat only 3 meals a day.
After my WLS I Grazed, eating whatever I could tolerate, whenever I could tolerate it.
Doing that, I dropped about 110 lbs, down to around 160, stayed there in the 160s for a couple of years,
and then began slowly regaining weight.
Every so often I'd try cutting back my calories etc.
when I weighed in the 170s, the 180s, and the 190s,
which slowed down the regaining process.
It wasn't until 2004 when I began logging all of my food intake
in a computer software program I found online (DietPower)
and restricting calories,
that I was able to lose any of that additional weight.
I've never been able to keep from Grazing.
Either BEFORE WLS or AFTER WLS.
I've never managed to eat only 3 meals a day for more than a few consecutive days.
It is also very hard for me to make myself eat only 3 meals
AND only one small mid-meal snack.
such as 3 meals and 3 snacks.
What I like to do is simply put some food into my mouth
whenever I feel like it.
This does make losing and maintaining weight more difficult.
Starting at 190 lbs in Sept 2004,
over a 16 month period of dieting, eating an average of about 1200 daily calories,
of whatever I chose to eat, whenever I chose to eat,
I lost from 190 down to 115 lbs.
For the past 3 1/2 years, I've continued to diet,
logging all my food daily in my DietPower food journal,
...still eating whatever I choose, whenever I choose...but
...keeping my total average calorie count down around 1000-1100 calories.
What I have learned from my own experience is,
If I graze, eating whatever I want, whenever I want,
I can eat enough to become over 200 lbs and morbidly obese again.
If I eat only 3 meals of whatever food I wish...in a 5 to 15 minute period for each meal,
I can eat enough to be overweight or slighly obese, but
probably won't become morbidly obese again.
OR, if I make low-cal, healthy food choices AND only eat 3 meals...in a 5 to 15 minute period for each meal,
I would probably only be able to eat enough to maintain my current weight.
If I graze, BUT restrict my foods to around a 1000-1200 calorie level,
I can stay quite small (I am 5'0", 64 years old, and 115 lbs)
So far, this has been my choice.
I see this Choice more of a Habit issue
not really as a Hunger issue,
because I've learned that Hunger is a relative thing
based on what our bodies become accustomed to.
....IF we put in a consistent volume of food at consistent times,
our bodies become accustomed to that,
and our Hunger is adjusted to that volume and time.
It's only when we change the amounts and times we eat
that Hunger becomes otherwise activated.
--- In afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com, "Victoria" <afterwls@...> wrote:
> It's my absolute conviction that WLS patients should 'graze', meaning we should eat several small meals/snacks per day, which is what I do.
>> -Vic
> After WLS group founder
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1f. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "Victoria" afterwls@aol.com vicstevens
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 10:34 pm ((PDT))
I did say 'your mileage may vary', because we are all different, and must find our own way to optimize our WLS experience post op. I think I have not expressed myself properly because I don't eat anything I want when I want to. I eat carefully selected protein-based meals and snacks that are also low carb and low fat. I don't fear that I will gain weight with this eating method because I simply do not consume foods that contain the kind of empty calories that might make me weigh 200 pounds. That's a very important point...eating nutritious, lowfat, low carb, protein-based foods. Can't stress that enough.
For instance, the only bread I eat is sprouted-grain Ezekiel bread, one slice a day. I eat fresh fruit in moderation, don't have anything batter-dipped and fried, no pasta, nothing made with sugar or white flour. I eat what I want within a range of nutritious choices, no empty calories. I rarely, if ever, eat cookies, cakes or candy. I am pretty much sugar-free.
-Vic
--- In afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com, "brightangelhope" <brightangelhope@...> wrote:
>
> I find it unusual and interesting to find someone who Advocates "grazing"
> for WLS patients...or anyone for that matter.
>
> I am about 16 1/2 years out from my RNY, (Dec 1992)
> At surgery 271, first 9 months, down to 160, then after several years
> back up to 190s.
> Starting in Sept 2004, by low-calorie eating dieted my way down to 115,
> Have maintained that weight for 3 1/2 years.
>
> My surgeon told me 3 meals a day, half of each meal protein.
> He didn't give me any info on when and how to drink water etc.
> Those "pouch for dummies" rules were nonexistent at the time.
> It is just during the past month that I came across them.
>
> Despite my surgeon's advice, I was never able to force myself to eat only 3 meals a day.
> After my WLS I Grazed, eating whatever I could tolerate, whenever I could tolerate it.
>
> Doing that, I dropped about 110 lbs, down to around 160, stayed there in the 160s for a couple of years,
> and then began slowly regaining weight.
> Every so often I'd try cutting back my calories etc.
> when I weighed in the 170s, the 180s, and the 190s,
> which slowed down the regaining process.
> It wasn't until 2004 when I began logging all of my food intake
> in a computer software program I found online (DietPower)
> and restricting calories,
> that I was able to lose any of that additional weight.
>
> I've never been able to keep from Grazing.
> Either BEFORE WLS or AFTER WLS.
> I've never managed to eat only 3 meals a day for more than a few consecutive days.
> It is also very hard for me to make myself eat only 3 meals
> AND only one small mid-meal snack.
> such as 3 meals and 3 snacks.
> What I like to do is simply put some food into my mouth
> whenever I feel like it.
> This does make losing and maintaining weight more difficult.
>
> Starting at 190 lbs in Sept 2004,
> over a 16 month period of dieting, eating an average of about 1200 daily calories,
> of whatever I chose to eat, whenever I chose to eat,
> I lost from 190 down to 115 lbs.
> For the past 3 1/2 years, I've continued to diet,
> logging all my food daily in my DietPower food journal,
> ...still eating whatever I choose, whenever I choose...but
> ...keeping my total average calorie count down around 1000-1100 calories.
>
> What I have learned from my own experience is,
>
> If I graze, eating whatever I want, whenever I want,
> I can eat enough to become over 200 lbs and morbidly obese again.
>
> If I eat only 3 meals of whatever food I wish...in a 5 to 15 minute period for each meal,
> I can eat enough to be overweight or slighly obese, but
> probably won't become morbidly obese again.
>
> OR, if I make low-cal, healthy food choices AND only eat 3 meals...in a 5 to 15 minute period for each meal,
> I would probably only be able to eat enough to maintain my current weight.
>
> If I graze, BUT restrict my foods to around a 1000-1200 calorie level,
> I can stay quite small (I am 5'0", 64 years old, and 115 lbs)
> So far, this has been my choice.
>
> I see this Choice more of a Habit issue
> not really as a Hunger issue,
> because I've learned that Hunger is a relative thing
> based on what our bodies become accustomed to.
> ....IF we put in a consistent volume of food at consistent times,
> our bodies become accustomed to that,
> and our Hunger is adjusted to that volume and time.
> It's only when we change the amounts and times we eat
> that Hunger becomes otherwise activated.
>
> --- In afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com, "Victoria" <afterwls@> wrote:
> > It's my absolute conviction that WLS patients should 'graze', meaning we should eat several small meals/snacks per day, which is what I do.
> >> -Vic
> > After WLS group founder
>
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1g. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "Victoria" afterwls@aol.com vicstevens
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 10:35 pm ((PDT))
lee - have you reviewed your 'excessive' exercise to determine if you might make some changes that would make your methods have more impact. That is, do you workout on your feet?
-Vic
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1h. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "Victoria" afterwls@aol.com vicstevens
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 10:36 pm ((PDT))
lee - have you reviewed your 'excessive' exercise to determine if you might make some changes that would make your methods have more impact. That is, do you workout on your feet?
-Vic
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2. newbie-how to deal with emotional eating
Posted by: "obeseboomer" obeseboomer@yahoo.com obeseboomer
Date: Sat Jul 4, 2009 8:46 am ((PDT))
My eating patterns mirror my emotional state. I am looking for problem solving patterns used by others that have worked. I am usually aware of what is bothering me but I have much problem in dealing with the circumstance and what others expect me to do.
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