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1. HUNGRY TIGER and general question
From: TheAgora81@aol.com
2a. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
From: Kim Biddle
2b. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
From: George & Siri
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1. HUNGRY TIGER and general question
Posted by: "TheAgora81@aol.com" TheAgora81@aol.com theagora81
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 8:23 am ((PDT))
Thanks Vic,
I hope and wish I will make it this time. The HUNGRY TIGER hit again last
night when I made a big ham for my family. I ate 3 pieces and an ear of corn
and beans. I know I was not supposed to but I did it because I was tired of
bland food. I did not eat them all in one sitting of course. I grazed small
amounts but I never got satisfied until after the third plate.
Mind you, this is the first time I have had regular food in front of me.
But what was weird was the insatiable feeling of a voracious appetite. I dont
plan on continuing this at all, but "he" hit yet again. I plan on chopping
up some ham and mixing it in split pea soup to calm my taste buds and numb
them. But the corn on the cob was delicate. I only ate 1/2 a cob with no
butter, but still it was perfect.
I have a general question.
Since people in my real life and others on here have said this I am now
wondering about it too. I get this statement a lot and it goes like this.
"You had better not loose too quickly or else it will all come back on you
quicker than you lost it."
Now really....I thought the point of WLS is to loose as quickly as you c
ould the first 6 mos. and not slow down ever. I thought that once it is off,
you can now work with muscle and not fat weight and therefore maintain your
weight more easily. And its because we have fat weight that the excess weight
does not budge off of our bodies, so dealing with muscle weight helps us
maintain a lower weight.
Q. Does loosing weight on WLS very fast cause very fast weight gain because
it came off too quickly? Or, like I think, we are supposed to loose as
quickly as possible in order to take advantage of a good honeymoon period or
else miss the boat?
Peace to all in our weight lose struggles, Lee
lee - sorry, didn't know all that. I wish you much patience and all the
best; you will 'make it' with time. Very cool about your hips. You may be
adding 'muscle weight'.
-Vic
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2a. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "Kim Biddle" kimbiddle150@yahoo.com kimbiddle150
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 9:01 am ((PDT))
i had surgery 10-2008 started at 298 and i am at 229 now. i like you graze, i have a hard time eating meat as it gets stuck and i have to throw it up. peopele around me thing I eat a lot but they dont see how often i throw up. I get very angry when asked if I should be eating. I eat soups a lot.
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From: brightangelhope <brightangelhope@yahoo.com>
To: afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:10:27 PM
Subject: [After Weight Loss Surgery] Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
I find it unusual and interesting to find someone who Advocates "grazing"
for WLS patients...or anyone for that matter.
I am about 16 1/2 years out from my RNY, (Dec 1992)
At surgery 271, first 9 months, down to 160, then after several years
back up to 190s.
Starting in Sept 2004, by low-calorie eating dieted my way down to 115,
Have maintained that weight for 3 1/2 years.
My surgeon told me 3 meals a day, half of each meal protein.
He didn't give me any info on when and how to drink water etc.
Those "pouch for dummies" rules were nonexistent at the time.
It is just during the past month that I came across them.
Despite my surgeon's advice, I was never able to force myself to eat only 3 meals a day.
After my WLS I Grazed, eating whatever I could tolerate, whenever I could tolerate it.
Doing that, I dropped about 110 lbs, down to around 160, stayed there in the 160s for a couple of years,
and then began slowly regaining weight.
Every so often I'd try cutting back my calories etc.
when I weighed in the 170s, the 180s, and the 190s,
which slowed down the regaining process.
It wasn't until 2004 when I began logging all of my food intake
in a computer software program I found online (DietPower)
and restricting calories,
that I was able to lose any of that additional weight.
I've never been able to keep from Grazing.
Either BEFORE WLS or AFTER WLS.
I've never managed to eat only 3 meals a day for more than a few consecutive days.
It is also very hard for me to make myself eat only 3 meals
AND only one small mid-meal snack.
such as 3 meals and 3 snacks.
What I like to do is simply put some food into my mouth
whenever I feel like it.
This does make losing and maintaining weight more difficult.
Starting at 190 lbs in Sept 2004,
over a 16 month period of dieting, eating an average of about 1200 daily calories,
of whatever I chose to eat, whenever I chose to eat,
I lost from 190 down to 115 lbs.
For the past 3 1/2 years, I've continued to diet,
logging all my food daily in my DietPower food journal,
....still eating whatever I choose, whenever I choose...but
...keeping my total average calorie count down around 1000-1100 calories.
What I have learned from my own experience is,
If I graze, eating whatever I want, whenever I want,
I can eat enough to become over 200 lbs and morbidly obese again.
If I eat only 3 meals of whatever food I wish...in a 5 to 15 minute period for each meal,
I can eat enough to be overweight or slighly obese, but
probably won't become morbidly obese again.
OR, if I make low-cal, healthy food choices AND only eat 3 meals...in a 5 to 15 minute period for each meal,
I would probably only be able to eat enough to maintain my current weight.
If I graze, BUT restrict my foods to around a 1000-1200 calorie level,
I can stay quite small (I am 5'0", 64 years old, and 115 lbs)
So far, this has been my choice.
I see this Choice more of a Habit issue
not really as a Hunger issue,
because I've learned that Hunger is a relative thing
based on what our bodies become accustomed to.
....IF we put in a consistent volume of food at consistent times,
our bodies become accustomed to that,
and our Hunger is adjusted to that volume and time.
It's only when we change the amounts and times we eat
that Hunger becomes otherwise activated.
--- In afterweightlosssurg ery@yahoogroups. com, "Victoria" <afterwls@.. .> wrote:
> It's my absolute conviction that WLS patients should 'graze', meaning we should eat several small meals/snacks per day, which is what I do.
>> -Vic
> After WLS group founder
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2b. Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
Posted by: "George & Siri" slgpo2008@gmail.com sirilisa1
Date: Mon Jul 6, 2009 1:19 pm ((PDT))
My experience has been totally different. I had the DS and I'm 7 ½ years
out – I started at 273 and went to 123-127 where I stayed until about 3
years when I decided to put on 20 pounds. I looked like stick woman, as
since I'm 53 years old – my face really looked gaunt. The pics from my
daugahter's Wedding were enough to show me I needed to be heavier. I went
from a size 6 or 8 petite to a size 10 and I feel happy and healthy at this
weight of 140 to 143.
I graze because I don't eat enough at my main meals to sustain me or keep my
weight up. If I eat only 3 meals I start to lose weight and feel very
hungry – almost starving. Same thing happens if I don't get enough protein
in my meals. I drink protein drinks to supplement. I did have the distal
cut as opposed to the proximal cut which I believe is more common with the
RNY. Pretty much everything I eat leaves my body rather quickly – I have
never experienced constipation since I had the surgery – quite the opposite.
I think everyone's journey is different and our bodies react in many diverse
ways to the way we eat. It's good to hear we are not alone, and sometimes
it's great to hear about other ways to control our weight, maintain our
weight, and our appetite. So, I don't think there is any one set way that
will work for everyone. Even now, this many years out, I'm still learning
new things from this group. So, newbies, you'll have to try many different
things to see what works for you. I know I did, and I'm still doing it now.
From: afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kim Biddle
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:01 PM
To: afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [After Weight Loss Surgery] Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
i had surgery 10-2008 started at 298 and i am at 229 now. i like you graze,
i have a hard time eating meat as it gets stuck and i have to throw it up.
peopele around me thing I eat a lot but they dont see how often i throw up.
I get very angry when asked if I should be eating. I eat soups a lot.
________________________________
From: brightangelhope <brightangelhope@yahoo.com
<mailto:brightangelhope%40yahoo.com> >
To: afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:afterweightlosssurgery%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 10:10:27 PM
Subject: [After Weight Loss Surgery] Re: 3 mos HUNGRY TIGER
I find it unusual and interesting to find someone who Advocates "grazing"
for WLS patients...or anyone for that matter.
I am about 16 1/2 years out from my RNY, (Dec 1992)
At surgery 271, first 9 months, down to 160, then after several years
back up to 190s.
Starting in Sept 2004, by low-calorie eating dieted my way down to 115,
Have maintained that weight for 3 1/2 years.
My surgeon told me 3 meals a day, half of each meal protein.
He didn't give me any info on when and how to drink water etc.
Those "pouch for dummies" rules were nonexistent at the time.
It is just during the past month that I came across them.
Despite my surgeon's advice, I was never able to force myself to eat only 3
meals a day.
After my WLS I Grazed, eating whatever I could tolerate, whenever I could
tolerate it.
Doing that, I dropped about 110 lbs, down to around 160, stayed there in the
160s for a couple of years,
and then began slowly regaining weight.
Every so often I'd try cutting back my calories etc.
when I weighed in the 170s, the 180s, and the 190s,
which slowed down the regaining process.
It wasn't until 2004 when I began logging all of my food intake
in a computer software program I found online (DietPower)
and restricting calories,
that I was able to lose any of that additional weight.
I've never been able to keep from Grazing.
Either BEFORE WLS or AFTER WLS.
I've never managed to eat only 3 meals a day for more than a few consecutive
days.
It is also very hard for me to make myself eat only 3 meals
AND only one small mid-meal snack.
such as 3 meals and 3 snacks.
What I like to do is simply put some food into my mouth
whenever I feel like it.
This does make losing and maintaining weight more difficult.
Starting at 190 lbs in Sept 2004,
over a 16 month period of dieting, eating an average of about 1200 daily
calories,
of whatever I chose to eat, whenever I chose to eat,
I lost from 190 down to 115 lbs.
For the past 3 1/2 years, I've continued to diet,
logging all my food daily in my DietPower food journal,
....still eating whatever I choose, whenever I choose...but
...keeping my total average calorie count down around 1000-1100 calories.
What I have learned from my own experience is,
If I graze, eating whatever I want, whenever I want,
I can eat enough to become over 200 lbs and morbidly obese again.
If I eat only 3 meals of whatever food I wish...in a 5 to 15 minute period
for each meal,
I can eat enough to be overweight or slighly obese, but
probably won't become morbidly obese again.
OR, if I make low-cal, healthy food choices AND only eat 3 meals...in a 5 to
15 minute period for each meal,
I would probably only be able to eat enough to maintain my current weight.
If I graze, BUT restrict my foods to around a 1000-1200 calorie level,
I can stay quite small (I am 5'0", 64 years old, and 115 lbs)
So far, this has been my choice.
I see this Choice more of a Habit issue
not really as a Hunger issue,
because I've learned that Hunger is a relative thing
based on what our bodies become accustomed to.
....IF we put in a consistent volume of food at consistent times,
our bodies become accustomed to that,
and our Hunger is adjusted to that volume and time.
It's only when we change the amounts and times we eat
that Hunger becomes otherwise activated.
--- In afterweightlosssurg ery@yahoogroups. com, "Victoria" <afterwls@.. .>
wrote:
> It's my absolute conviction that WLS patients should 'graze', meaning we
should eat several small meals/snacks per day, which is what I do.
>> -Vic
> After WLS group founder
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