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From: Kimberly Schwab
2a. Re: Desparate for help...
From: lisar320
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From: lisar320
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From: suomi1988
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From: Denise and Michael
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Posted by: "Kimberly Schwab" momsx2008@yahoo.com momsx2008
Date: Tue Sep 1, 2009 7:58 am ((PDT))
This is not uncommon, you need to go to counseling, also go to your surgeon , they will much better understand , I have always said everyone has their own, addiction, and you just, switch one addiction for another, eating , gambling, smoking, drinking, exercising, Yes, even sex! We are ashamed to tell the doctor, we just started a support group for these addiction.
Good Luck All !!!
Kim
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2a. Re: Desparate for help...
Posted by: "lisar320" lisar908@comcast.net lisar320
Date: Tue Sep 1, 2009 6:38 pm ((PDT))
Stephanie,
I totally agree with Victoria's response to your post.(After I share my strength, hope & experience in a 12 step program, I will talk about my own WLS experience!)
I've been sober & clean for 21 years. While I only go to AA meetings these days, I started out at AA & NA. 6 months clean is great!!! :::standing ovation::::
If you don't have a sponsor, get one!! Call your sponsor every day because you're more likely to call them when you feel like crap if you're used to talking to them when you're feeling good. Work the 12 steps WITH a sponsor or someone who's been through the steps.
re: OA - While I am a compulsive overeater, I was never comfortable in OA. You can try OA or FAA (food addicts anonymous).
re: my WLS experience - I had a brand new WLS procedure on 3/25/2009. It uses a TOGA (trans-oral gastroplasty)device and the pouch is created inside my stomach. They went down my esophagus so there are no surgical cuts. I am using the discipline I learned in AA & NA to fight the urges to overeat. Besides, I CANNOT eat large amounts of food. I eat 4 small meals per day & 2 snacks per day. At least one of the meals is a LUNA or South Beach protein bar or Myoplex/Muscle Milk Lite protein shake w/ skim milk. I also walk at least 30 minutes per day.
Hang in there Stephanie and remember what the 12 step programs teach: you can ALWAYS start your day over. Try to 5 day pouch test to get you back on track.
Lisa
New Jersey
260/195/140
--- In afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com, "vicstevens" <afterwls@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Stephanie,
>
> I hope you are doing better. Congratulations on your 6 month NA anniversary. That is a MAJOR accomplishment. :)
>
> I can relate to your depression eating as an addiction issue. I would like to give you hope and say that you CAN get beyond it, you can pull through. You are very much worth the effort. Communicating your issues here show you have what it takes to help yourself out of a negative situation.
>
> If you find NA helpful, why not see if you can find an Overeaters Anonymous group, too? Even if you can't, please take each day slowly and try to plan your eating ahead. Listen to your body's reasons for indulging in your McD habit. McDs is giving you comfort, but that comfort is temporary. You need to 'get to the bottom' of your feelings.
>
> If your parents are the understanding type, you might want to share your food issue with them and see if they can work with you to stop the McDs forays. If they are not, perhaps you can bring up the food issue at NA? I know these groups can be very supportive.
>
> I have a friend who continues to go to NA, AA and OA meetings every week, 20 years after starting with them. Please seek out more support in-person with the 12-step programs, it is proven to be very successful and helpful.
>
> My thoughts are with you. Hang in there.
>
> -Vic
> group founder
>
> --- In afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com, suomi1988 <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone.
> > >
> > > I am in desparate need of help and advise. I had gastric bypass
> > surgery on April 18, 2008. After one year I had lost 108 pounds. I still
> > have 60 pounds to go before I reach my goal weight. About four months
> > ago I went through a severe depressive episode. I secluded myself in my
> > house and pushed my friends away. I didn't want them to know. During
> > this time my Grandmother become very ill and passed away on July 16,
> > 2009. During this time, I developed an addiction to McDonalds. I go
> > there at least once a day and order a double cheeseburger, fries and a
> > Diet Coke. If I go there at night, I order an extra three cheesburgers
> > to eat in the morning, or in some cases in the middle of the night. I am
> > so scared. What is happening to me. Both parents have recently mentioned
> > that they can tell I am gaining weight. Of course when they bring it up,
> > I am horrified. This is breaking my heart as my parent paid for the
> > surgery. I used to be so discipled in cooking at least three meals and
> > measuring out my portion. Back in February I joined Narcotics Anonymous
> > because I developed an addiction to prescription pain medicine.
> > Yesterday was my 6 month anniversary for remaining clean. I wish I could
> > be proud of myself for that accomplishment. But really, it feels like I
> > have substituted one drug for another.
> > >
> > > Thank you for reading this. I need to talk about this with people I
> > know will understand. I can't let this beat me. I would appreciate any
> > advice that you all could give me.
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Stephanie
> > > suomi1988@ .
> >
>
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2b. Re: Desparate for help...
Posted by: "lisar320" lisar908@comcast.net lisar320
Date: Tue Sep 1, 2009 6:43 pm ((PDT))
Julie,
We are all a work in progress! I learned years ago (when I got clean & sober), that I can be addicted to anything. During the last 21 years, I've stopped drinking, using drugs & smoking. On 3/25/2009, I had WLS and I was forced to stop eating large quanities. I apply the discipline I learned in 12 step programs to living with the results of WLS (a pouch in my stomach that severly limits the amount of food I can consume at one time!). During the 1st few months after my WLS, the overeater in my head talked to me frequently. Now that voice is quiet. When I need a treat, I eat 1 or 2 tbsp of peanut butter w/ sugar free jelly or something that's a little higher in fat (such as Chinese food). Otherwise, I almost everything I eat has less then 25% fat and I focus on high protein and veggies for my meals.
You may want to seek help for your drinking problem. Once you can admit that you are an addict or alcoholic, you will feel BETTEr. Maybe you should check out AA in your area and share your concerns. You'd be amazed how many people hated being an alcoholic.
Lisa
New Jersey
260/195/140
--- In afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com, Julianne Zausmer <thickmadame1967@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Stephanie and all,
>
> I had my gastric bypass surgery June 8, 1998. I went from one addiction to another. I'm ashamed to say...I never thought I was addicted to food...but I was and am. Now I can't eat ... and I've traded that addiction to alcohol. I never considered myself an addict, but I am. I'm sure the reason I have stopped losing is because of the alchohol. Speaking for myself, gastric bypass helped me, but it didn't cure the psychological issues that I am still dealing with. I'm a work in progress. I want to make major changes, just admitting that I'm an addict, is so upsetting. I never would have imagined that I would switch one addiction for another.
>
> Love to all & Blessings,
> Juli
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: suomi1988 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
> To: afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:39:51 PM
> Subject: [After Weight Loss Surgery] Desparate for help...
>
>
> Hello everyone.
> >
> > I am in desparate need of help and advise. I had gastric bypass
> surgery on April 18, 2008. After one year I had lost 108 pounds. I still
> have 60 pounds to go before I reach my goal weight. About four months
> ago I went through a severe depressive episode. I secluded myself in my
> house and pushed my friends away. I didn't want them to know. During
> this time my Grandmother become very ill and passed away on July 16,
> 2009. During this time, I developed an addiction to McDonalds. I go
> there at least once a day and order a double cheeseburger, fries and a
> Diet Coke. If I go there at night, I order an extra three cheesburgers
> to eat in the morning, or in some cases in the middle of the night. I am
> so scared. What is happening to me. Both parents have recently mentioned
> that they can tell I am gaining weight. Of course when they bring it up,
> I am horrified. This is breaking my heart as my parent paid for the
> surgery. I used to be so discipled in cooking at least three meals and
> measuring out my portion. Back in February I joined Narcotics Anonymous
> because I developed an addiction to prescription pain medicine.
> Yesterday was my 6 month anniversary for remaining clean. I wish I could
> be proud of myself for that accomplishment. But really, it feels like I
> have substituted one drug for another.
> >
> > Thank you for reading this. I need to talk about this with people I
> know will understand. I can't let this beat me. I would appreciate any
> advice that you all could give me.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Stephanie
> > suomi1988@ .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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2c. Re: Desparate for help...
Posted by: "suomi1988" no_reply@yahoogroups.com suomi1988
Date: Tue Sep 1, 2009 9:00 pm ((PDT))
Thanks for your wonderful words Lisa and Vic. And everyone else that has sent me words of encouragement. Unfortunately I had a small relapse last Saturday and had a beer at my cousins wedding. So, even though I am clean, my sobriety is at three!
Last week I saw my old sponsor which was wonderful. She has so much to offer but during our time together I was dealing with the eventual death of my Grandmother and pushed everyone away. I wish I could have Lisa back as a sponsor but I think I burned that bridge. But this week I reached out to my NA family and I am feeling much better. Tomorrow I am going to try an online meeting to see what it is like. I am pretty sure that I'll prefer my home meeting.
I attended a Food Addicts meeting last week but it just didn't feel right. As you now, I have to eat a certain way and I think using the principles of NA and really trying to engage my HP will get me through this. I have to finally let it sink in that my sobriety and my relationship with my HP is the most important thing I can do for myself.
I hope you all don't mind if I post on a daily basis just to make myself accountable and honest with myself.
Thank you all for your support.
Peace and blessing,
Stephanie
--- In afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com, "lisar320" <lisar908@...> wrote:
>
> Stephanie,
> I totally agree with Victoria's response to your post.(After I share my strength, hope & experience in a 12 step program, I will talk about my own WLS experience!)
> I've been sober & clean for 21 years. While I only go to AA meetings these days, I started out at AA & NA. 6 months clean is great!!! :::standing ovation::::
> If you don't have a sponsor, get one!! Call your sponsor every day because you're more likely to call them when you feel like crap if you're used to talking to them when you're feeling good. Work the 12 steps WITH a sponsor or someone who's been through the steps.
> re: OA - While I am a compulsive overeater, I was never comfortable in OA. You can try OA or FAA (food addicts anonymous).
> re: my WLS experience - I had a brand new WLS procedure on 3/25/2009. It uses a TOGA (trans-oral gastroplasty)device and the pouch is created inside my stomach. They went down my esophagus so there are no surgical cuts. I am using the discipline I learned in AA & NA to fight the urges to overeat. Besides, I CANNOT eat large amounts of food. I eat 4 small meals per day & 2 snacks per day. At least one of the meals is a LUNA or South Beach protein bar or Myoplex/Muscle Milk Lite protein shake w/ skim milk. I also walk at least 30 minutes per day.
> Hang in there Stephanie and remember what the 12 step programs teach: you can ALWAYS start your day over. Try to 5 day pouch test to get you back on track.
>
> Lisa
> New Jersey
> 260/195/140
>
> --- In afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com, "vicstevens" <afterwls@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Stephanie,
> >
> > I hope you are doing better. Congratulations on your 6 month NA anniversary. That is a MAJOR accomplishment. :)
> >
> > I can relate to your depression eating as an addiction issue. I would like to give you hope and say that you CAN get beyond it, you can pull through. You are very much worth the effort. Communicating your issues here show you have what it takes to help yourself out of a negative situation.
> >
> > If you find NA helpful, why not see if you can find an Overeaters Anonymous group, too? Even if you can't, please take each day slowly and try to plan your eating ahead. Listen to your body's reasons for indulging in your McD habit. McDs is giving you comfort, but that comfort is temporary. You need to 'get to the bottom' of your feelings.
> >
> > If your parents are the understanding type, you might want to share your food issue with them and see if they can work with you to stop the McDs forays. If they are not, perhaps you can bring up the food issue at NA? I know these groups can be very supportive.
> >
> > I have a friend who continues to go to NA, AA and OA meetings every week, 20 years after starting with them. Please seek out more support in-person with the 12-step programs, it is proven to be very successful and helpful.
> >
> > My thoughts are with you. Hang in there.
> >
> > -Vic
> > group founder
> >
> > --- In afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com, suomi1988 <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello everyone.
> > > >
> > > > I am in desparate need of help and advise. I had gastric bypass
> > > surgery on April 18, 2008. After one year I had lost 108 pounds. I still
> > > have 60 pounds to go before I reach my goal weight. About four months
> > > ago I went through a severe depressive episode. I secluded myself in my
> > > house and pushed my friends away. I didn't want them to know. During
> > > this time my Grandmother become very ill and passed away on July 16,
> > > 2009. During this time, I developed an addiction to McDonalds. I go
> > > there at least once a day and order a double cheeseburger, fries and a
> > > Diet Coke. If I go there at night, I order an extra three cheesburgers
> > > to eat in the morning, or in some cases in the middle of the night. I am
> > > so scared. What is happening to me. Both parents have recently mentioned
> > > that they can tell I am gaining weight. Of course when they bring it up,
> > > I am horrified. This is breaking my heart as my parent paid for the
> > > surgery. I used to be so discipled in cooking at least three meals and
> > > measuring out my portion. Back in February I joined Narcotics Anonymous
> > > because I developed an addiction to prescription pain medicine.
> > > Yesterday was my 6 month anniversary for remaining clean. I wish I could
> > > be proud of myself for that accomplishment. But really, it feels like I
> > > have substituted one drug for another.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for reading this. I need to talk about this with people I
> > > know will understand. I can't let this beat me. I would appreciate any
> > > advice that you all could give me.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again,
> > > > Stephanie
> > > > suomi1988@ .
> > >
> >
>
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2d. Re: Desperate for help...
Posted by: "Dorothy M. Rosa Durkee" branta@cebridge.net branta_canadensis
Date: Wed Sep 2, 2009 5:25 am ((PDT))
Every OA meeting is different. If you've tried one and not felt
comfortable there, may I suggest you try another? And another, and
another - whatever it takes?
Dorothy D.
Texas
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2e. Re: Desperate for help...
Posted by: "Denise and Michael" denise_and_michael@yahoo.com denise_and_michael
Date: Wed Sep 2, 2009 6:28 am ((PDT))
I've been to OA meetings. The one I went to was great. The people in the group were very helpful.
Good luck!!
Denise
--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Dorothy M. Rosa Durkee <branta@cebridge.net> wrote:
From: Dorothy M. Rosa Durkee <branta@cebridge.net>
Subject: [After Weight Loss Surgery] Re: Desperate for help...
To: afterweightlosssurgery@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 7:24 AM
Every OA meeting is different. If you've tried one and not felt
comfortable there, may I suggest you try another? And another, and
another - whatever it takes?
Dorothy D.
Texas
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