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1a. Re: Article: Is Exercise for Weight Loss Really Pointless?
From: Tory Klementsen
2a. End of week #50
From: galen_oea
2b. Re: End of week #50
From: CLAUDIA
3a. exercise question
From: SueW
3b. Re: exercise question
From: agilitydogs2000
3c. Re: exercise question
From: missedmiracle2001
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1a. Re: Article: Is Exercise for Weight Loss Really Pointless?
Posted by: "Tory Klementsen" teechur@gmail.com msteechur
Date: Tue Sep 1, 2009 8:20 pm ((PDT))
Oh trust me, I hear it ALL the time! People love to tell ME (ME! I
have lost over 100 lbs) that what I'm doing doesn't really benefit me.
Okay, well when you have scientific proof to the contrary, maybe I'll
consider stopping my exercise and journaling my food. But seeing as my
doctor says I am healthier than most 20 year olds he sees, and I can
run circles around literally 90% of my high school students, I have NO
health issues (barring one related to a pancreatic tumor, completely
unrelated to weight loss issues) while many of my age-mates are on an
average taking at least ONE medication for lifestyle related health
problems I take nothing but calcium.
The problem with this study is that this idea that if a human
exercises he/she will have absolutely a RAVISHING appetite and lose
all control, like some sort of crazed bear after a spring thaw, really
discredits us as human beings! Really? As a whole, we have NO self
control over our appetites? So that explains while I attacked that man
with Taco Bell and bit off his pinky in my frenzy. We're not freaking
SHARKS for god's sake!
Human nature does not equal science. Human nature can show TRENDS, but
it is not a fact that we are all pre-determined to give into our baser
desires. That's why many of us manage to go through life without
stealing, sleeping with the rugby team (every season), killing our
neighbors, etc. We all have self control and exercise it on a regular
basis.
Tory Klementsen, MCP A+
IT Educator
Certified Personal Fitness Trainer
www.journey-fitness.com
www.jfrunners.com
www.teechur.com--school website
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:32 PM,
LBCreations<lbcreations-designsbybabette@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> Isn't it sad Nancy? I had exactly the same thoughts as you ... people would
> now use this an excuse to continue their unhealthy habits. Journalistic
> integrity? Sadly, Not much exists anymore.
>
> Hugs,
>
> Babette
>
> Highest Weight: 410
>
> Restart 7-25-09
>
> 260/252/160
>
> If I BITE it, I WRITE it!
>
> From: Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Miller
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 6:53 PM
> To: Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] Article: Is Exercise for Weight Loss
> Really Pointless?
>
> I saw that article, and had some immediate reactions to it. First, it was an
> attractive cover story. I don't usually read newsmagazines and I picked that
> one right up and read the article right away. Masterful choice for a cover!
>
> As I read, I kept wondering on what planet Cloud has been living on all his
> life (there's a pun in there somewhere). I don't know what person in their
> right mind thinks that exercise burns enough calories to make a dent in
> weight, unless you also change your dietary habits. Look, you're at the gym,
> on the fancy treadmill or stairstepper or elliptical or stationary bike.
> They all tell you how many calories you've burned. 50... 100... 500? Anyone
> can tell you how many calories are in a can of soda and a bag of chips.
> 250+, and that's if the chips are baked. So who can ever use one of those
> machines and think it's making up for a huge slice of chocolate layer cake,
> or a single Big Mac? It doesn't add up and never has. I don't know why Cloud
> didn't realize that until now. Is he THAT bad at simple arithmetic?
>
> Exercise is sooooooo beneficial. When I've lost weight in previous attempts,
> every time I was somewhat successful I was exercising regularly. When I
> stopped exercising (and stopped being aware of what I ate), I gained weight.
> So if it's not "burning calories" that's important, it has to be something
> else. Personally, I think it is a combination of building lean muscle and
> reducing depression and anxiety. But when I've lost weight before, it's
> always required BOTH intake control and exercising. One or the other didn't
> cut it. Ever.
>
> I don't know about wanting to eat more after exercise. Except for swimming,
> I find a good sweaty workout is an appetite depressant. Maybe I'm weird. (I
> could eat a banquet after swimming, that much is true.) Building muscle and
> boosting your metabolism, trimming up your "look" and relieving depression,
> increasing flexibility, cardiovascular health and respiratory capacity.
> What's not to love?
>
> When I read the article in Time, I groaned. Some people will read this and
> say, "Studies show I shouldn't exercise." I think Time did such a disservice
> in pitching what could have been a great piece in such a sensational,
> misleading way. I expected better of them but I guess it's all about
> circulation and readership, not about journalistic integrity.
>
> Nancy in Calif.
>
> ________________________________
> From: LBCreations <lbcreations-designsbybabette@cox.net
> <mailto:lbcreations-designsbybabette%40cox.net> >
> To: LBCreations <lbcreations-designsbybabette@cox.net
> <mailto:lbcreations-designsbybabette%40cox.net> >
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:04:22 AM
> Subject: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] Article: Is Exercise for Weight Loss
> Really Pointless?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I found this article and thought it had some really good points and I was
> glad to see it. I hope that people who read John Cloud's piece don't pay
> too much attention ... exercise really is sooo important!
>
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2a. End of week #50
Posted by: "galen_oea" galen_oea@yahoo.com galen_oea
Date: Tue Sep 1, 2009 9:09 pm ((PDT))
End of week #50
Down -0.4 lb for a total loss of -136 lbs
September 16 2008 413 LBS
September 1 2009 277 LBS
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galen@thenottypical.com
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2b. Re: End of week #50
Posted by: "CLAUDIA" clewing1953@sbcglobal.net clewing1953@sbcglobal.net
Date: Wed Sep 2, 2009 12:09 am ((PDT))
Congratulations..keep it up!
Claudia
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http://facebook.com/claudia.ewing
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galen_oea
Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 11:09 PM
To: Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Serious-Weight-Watchers] End of week #50
End of week #50
Down -0.4 lb for a total loss of -136 lbs
September 16 2008 413 LBS
September 1 2009 277 LBS
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3a. exercise question
Posted by: "SueW" gswidemark@cox.net gswidemark
Date: Wed Sep 2, 2009 2:51 am ((PDT))
>>>> Hi everyone. I started an awesome exercise program called First
Strides. I have attended for 4 weeks so far. It is a program where you are
put into groups according to your ability. We interval train, and I am in a
group where I walk quickly for my "easy" and jog for my "hard". About 2
weeks ago, when I was doing my 'homework' and doing the interval loop at
home, I managed to hurt my hamstring..atleast I think it is my
hamstring..the muscle on the back of my upper leg and into my butt. I have
been nursing it now and I am unsure what to do and wanted to reach out for
some suggestions. Last Wed after class I was SO sore. I really rested as
much as I could this past week. I am able to use the ellipitcal without
pain, but walking/running for an extended period of time causes throbbing
pain. I have class again tomorrow (it is a 12 week class, and we are allowed
to miss 3 classes). My hubby tells me not to go. He says that I need to rest
it or I wont ever get better and never be able to do the 5K in Ocotober.<<<<
I really injured myself but good, trying to force a walking program. I agree
walking is wonderful but for some of us it may not be appropriate. We have
to design a workout program to SUIT US. Truth being before I tried (for
several months!) to force myself to walk, I could get around much better
than I do now. even though I weighed 80 some lbs heavier.
Listen to hubby. If the elliptical works for you DO IT. Cardio is cardio
and there are many ways to do it.
Walking is DEFINITELY NOT for everyone.
SueW
267/182/180 (doctor set goal)
Thank you Weight Watchers!!!
http://cheesewhiz.org/sue-compare-jan2007-aug2009.jpg
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3b. Re: exercise question
Posted by: "agilitydogs2000" agilitydogs2000@yahoo.com agilitydogs2000
Date: Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:02 am ((PDT))
--- In Serious-Weight-Watchers@yahoogroups.com, "missedmiracle2001" <heidiwilliams@...> wrote:
> I have attended for 4 weeks so far. It is a program where
> you are put into groups according to your ability.
What Tory said - she's the professional. But you may want to reconsider exactly what you're doing. A few unrelated facts. Hamstring injuries are pretty common in running and are notoriously hard to get rid of - chances are if you've injured it once, you'll do it again.
And one thing to think about is that it's pretty common in injuries for the hamstring that the quads are stronger than the hamstrings - so while you didn't mention anything but running, you may want to long term think about strength training for your quads and hamstrings - I use weight machines where I can check the relative strength. Any strength of hamstring that is 60% or less strong than the quad means you're likely to injure that muscle again. Easy to check with a leg press and leg curl machine - easy to strengthen the quads with stair climbing or cycling - neither of those help the hamstring much.
Another factor that means more hamstring injuries is when you overextend the leg in running - the hamstring has two phases of working (all muscles do) - one is while the leg is on the ground and you're using the quad to propel the leg - the hamstring stabilizes the knee. And when you pull the leg off the ground, you contract the muscle to store energy in it. So an idle question of whether you have a straight leg hamstring injury or a bent leg hamstring injury. If you lay on your back and bend at the hip about 90 degrees and move your leg gently from side to side , if it pain free when it's straight? Pain free if you bend it at the knee?
And finally another unrelated thought that many injuries for the hamstring can be caused by overextension of the leg when running - so while I'm really glad you like the class, you may be trying to run with too large a stride to match someone else in the class. Most rehab I've seen says not to work with others - since you're trying to match a healthy person but also you may be more likely to overextend the muscle. Muscle injuries also caused by running on a incline - usually going downhill - so is your running on a track or outside? If outside, you'll have to walk on hill parts that cause the injury.
And to add to what Tory said, the injury is best treated by doing only what can be done pain free. If you can't walk pain free, don't go. If you can walk pain free, I would divide the run into three segments and do what you can pain free. The segments are the initial getting up to speed - can you do that pain-free? Cruising speed - can you do that pain free? And slowing down - can you do that pain free? Chances are the injury happened during one of those phases - you were trying to speed up to catch someone in your group - you were trying to cruise a bit better, a bit faster, overextended the leg - or you were slowing down too suddenly.
And since we look to the hamstring for stabilizing the knee, it's a good time to think about watching your form in running. Women or notorious for having wider hips than guys and that puts the knee at a slight angle - a very serious but common injury in women in blowing the anterior cruciate in the knee. So back to the exercise and looking at some exercises that build up not only the hamstring, which is probably weak, but also the other muscles that help stabilize the knee.
> About 2 weeks ago, when I was doing my 'homework' and
> doing the interval loop at home,
Well so now I have to reverse what I said about exerting yourself in class - you may well be matched in class to speed - what about at home, where you injured it? Oh and another thing I thought about as I thought about your home segment - the more fatigued the muscles get, the sloppier we get. So while you may have done well starting your interval loop, was the injury at the start when you were really jazzed to do really well? Or after the muscle was fatigued? Do you do your interval loop on any sort of slope?
> the muscle on the back of my upper leg and into my butt.
The muscle in the back of your upper leg is the hamstring but your butt msucle may be the gluteus maximus or the piriformis. The gluteus is a large muscle but the piriformis a smaller muscle that can be injured when you run with tight back muscles. The piriformis runs horizontally across the butt and the sciatic nerve passes close to it so the pain is fairly distinctive about being pretty sharp and centrally located in the butt. It helps in rotating the hip out - so while it can be aggravated by running on a hard surface, it also is aggravated by running with your toes pointed out - so check your form when you run. If your footfall correct? Toes straight ahead?
And it may be a simple case of too much too soon - we're always warned never to increased speed or distance more than 10% at a time - so it may simply be that you're too enthisiastic about getting better.
barbara
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3c. Re: exercise question
Posted by: "missedmiracle2001" heidiwilliams@teacher.com missedmiracle2001
Date: Wed Sep 2, 2009 3:42 am ((PDT))
Thanks for the responses…as class is tonight if I go! Here are some answers to your questions.
1. We stretch as a whole group for 5 minutes before any exercise. It is group led. Then we do a 5 minute warm up walk. Then it goes into our easy/hard pattern. It began week one with 4min easy/ 1 min hard. Last week we were up to 3 min easy/3 min hard. Then we do a cool down and stretch again as a group. I guess I should try to stretch it out during the loop also.
2. I have been icing it daily, and trying to stretch it out. It feels better today, but is it worth the risk of reinjuring it more tonight, or should I take the night off….or is that a cop out for me! (I do really enjoy the class..but it is hard!)
3. We were ability grouped this way…we have a loop to do, then they divided us up according to the order we came across the finish line so to speak. This is a knowledgeable program..they have a website even…www.firststrides.com. and I feel pretty confident it how the program is run.
So an idle question of whether you
have a straight leg hamstring injury or a bent leg hamstring injury. If you
lay on your back and bend at the hip about 90 degrees and move your leg gently
from side to side , if it pain free when it's straight? Pain free if you bend
it at the knee?
It hurts when I try to extend my leg straight…bent is fine.
And finally another unrelated thought that many injuries for the hamstring can
be caused by overextension of the leg when running - so while I'm really glad
you like the class, you may be trying to run with too large a stride to match
someone else in the class.
The first weeks of the class we worked out as a large group. I don't know anyone, so I stayed at my own pace. Last week we divided into ability groups. I am glad I was the 2nd person from the front of my group so if I need to slow down I can. It is also designed that we never leave someone behind, so when our group gets spread apart, the front turns back and gets back with the end. Today will be the first day of just working with the groups (of about 30…instead of the whole group of over 200!)
Muscle injuries also caused by running on a incline -
usually going downhill - so is your running on a track or outside?
It is outside…but relatively flat.
Chances are the injury happened during one of
those phases - you were trying to speed up to catch someone in your group - you
were trying to cruise a bit better, a bit faster, overextended the leg - or you
were slowing down too suddenly.
I am not 100% sure what part of the walk/run it happened, but I do know it did not happen at class…rather when I was doing the training at home (we are supposed to do it at home 2X a week as our homework). At home it is also outside..relatively flat, but there are some little hills. I weigh 230lbs so I certainly do not go too fast!\
It helps in rotating the hip out -
so while it can be aggravated by running on a hard surface, it also is
aggravated by running with your toes pointed out - so check your form when you
run. If your footfall correct? Toes straight ahead?
I generally walk with my toes pointed out…I hate it. Not drastic, but it is there. I guess I need to focus more on my form.
Well, I must go get ready for work (back to school this week!) If you are able to respond more before tonight, the advice is greatly appreciated!
Heidi
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